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ER UFO researcher and you're listening

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to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome to that UFO

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podcast that's really weird isn't it I'm

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leaving now

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I don't usually play the audio clips and

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I've just done it before we record I

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usually put those in after that's still

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really weird to do but yeah hi Andy here

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yep it's that UFO podcast that's that's

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the intro Dan is joining me laughing in

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the background Dan welcome

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hi hi nice to be here

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whereas here done because is this video

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going to go on YouTube for for people to

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see your background uh yeah I guess so

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I'm so I'm at my uh mum's house she's

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having some work done at the moment

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um yeah so everything's kind of messy

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behind me at some point you might see a

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dog come down the stairs

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um but I'll introduce you to Meg

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everyone loves a good puppy so it's

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gonna say that's not his mom

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um and uh that's also why Dan's audio

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sounds a little bit different because

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he's recording on the Fly today and it's

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going to be a shorter one than normal

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because this is more of an update on the

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delayed UAP task force report the arrow

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report the aoi MSG report the the UFO

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report I don't know what people are even

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calling it these days I don't even

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remember then

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uh what was last year's the preliminary

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assessment on UAP that's what it was

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called so I I guess a second assessment

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on UAP maybe someone someone tagged me

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not to be earlier just saying can we get

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rid of all this UAP nonsense and just

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UFO for the win I was like yeah it's the

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UFO report that's it yeah let's just say

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UFO that's what it is so yeah it'll be a

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shorter update just on on delays and

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potential reasons it's been delayed when

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we may expect it to come out

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um and also there'll be an interview at

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the end of this a short format of you

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similar to when I had Jay from Project

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Unity on with Tom and John from estimate

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of the situation the new graphic novel

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based on true UFO events which you may

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have heard if you're on the premium

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stuff if not check out again it's a

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short interview but those guys were

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really good as well so stick around for

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that at the end but Dan yeah so on the

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31st of October we expected unclassified

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force was or is still headed up by Dr

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Sean Patrick to have an unclassified

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version released for public consumption

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and so on the day everyone was hitting

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the refresh buttons over and over

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weren't they I think John Greenwald went

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through 12 keyboards from what it seems

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like and many many others like yourself

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are refreshing all day to try and get

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that scoop try and get in there first

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and nothing it went dead silent that was

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the Friday uh no 31st of October was the

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Monday we'd kind of hoped it may have

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the Newsweek cycle but yeah so nothing

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on the Monday Halloween came and went uh

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all tracks no treats and the the week

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was coming out and here we are almost

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two weeks later and still no UFO UAP

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away from I mean you put your countdown

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two this is the date it's meant to be

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um but we stayed away from the whole you

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know or it should be out tomorrow I've

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telling us nothing about when it was

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of the time but sources it seems can be

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wrong and it's just a case of you know

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Scuttle but what are we hearing that

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it's not came out

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so basically governmental red tape in a

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nutshell um I called odni who are

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where the report was hosted last year if

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um and yeah it's just it's going through

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different people need to sign up on it

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us but it is coming so so don't fret

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Ether into that you know that Abyss that

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has been going since the 1940s listeners

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and our viewers whatever you may class

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just now and the US are very much into

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their Politics as the kids say on the

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but yeah that's taken up a lot of air

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news networks anyway or or within the US

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this wasn't a top priority to be

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the UFO subject it was probably some

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some bad timing from our point of view

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some good timing for other points of

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likely to be nothing Sinister in terms

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baby steps in terms of it's six months

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a lot of time and if people remember

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metier and more to build on not to say

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regard that this report won't uh if you

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this year's ndaa uh on the show before

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man-made if it's man-made give it to the

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correct department and carry on looking

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apply to this report that will be passed

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this year and that will apply to next

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year's report so I would say very much

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writing it since March and it's not a

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lot of time to tackle it yeah the number

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content being half of those reports have

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been solved and are uh as per the New

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foreign spying or Airborne trash that's

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that's fair anyway that's that's what

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most people would imagine a lot of this

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there were 366 reports to come out and

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say 365 of them have actually been

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solved are balloons and Chinese and

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Russian drones our own technology being

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whether phenomena and so yeah we've sold

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365 of them I mean there was this one

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that we cannot you know even contemplate

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what it was doing and it shot off an

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incredible rate of speed toward Mars but

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you know hey ho 365 of them have been

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let's talk about that one and this is

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what we're trying to get at that it

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doesn't matter how many are solved and

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that's why I thought the tone from

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journalist the guy's not a hack you know

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imagine that's the Pinnacle of

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Journalism the New York Times is pretty

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high up there so to to go so I'm going

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to be quite posher Dan and try this in a

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Scottish accent but so liaison fee with

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with his writing in terms of just

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throwing out you know half of them are

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solved and it's just rubbish yeah but

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Oscars and only wins five of them

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they're not going to walk away

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disappointed they're going to talk about

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the five Oscars the one this is you

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you're good with your analogies man

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analogies for days unless it's Harry

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Potter first editions then in which case

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it doesn't work

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um peek behind the actors cutting out

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but yeah so Julian Barnes had the

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article and that that upset a lot of

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people because I think we've come even

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though there's only actually been two or

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three New York Times articles since 2017

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on the UFO subject and a serious big way

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and people have come to expect big

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things or you know the famed crash

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retrieval article and then this one

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dropped and it was a little bit of a

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win-out of the sales for some people

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wasn't it

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yeah 100 everyone is expecting explosive

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things and actually this this article

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was really conservative and for me the

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disappointing thing is

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you know Fine Chinese drones are spying

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on sensitive American uh locations

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that's a huge story that should be the

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headline you know the the airspace is

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insecure whether you're looking at

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drones or whether you're looking at UFOs

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and I'll just say that uh before the

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midterms as well Obama put out a uh just

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a little video kind of telling people to

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go vote and he rounded up the the 10

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things in the past couple years that the

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Democrats has done and I think it was

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number four was he he said the UFO

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report sorry I mean UAP report so that's

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Obama giving us permission to use UFO

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instead of UAP but the fact that it was

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there means that they kind of you know

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no one votes on this but

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they're pushing it as an issue and even

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when Judy and Bond's article came out

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there were so many articles in response

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to that through like NBC through Fox

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through other places that it just goes

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to show that so many people are paying

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attention to this now it's not going

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away even if Julian Burns writing an

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article that kind of puts it down around

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the whole thing it doesn't matter like

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the the train is rolling and and it's

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gonna go forward you know uh pay

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attention to which way the wind is

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blowing as opposed to the ward of one

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person yes and as I've learned Dan in

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two and a half years of doing this we

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are not politically affiliated with any

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parties

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um you've mentioned a few of the

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democratic candidates there and to be

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fair this did also come to fruition

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during former president Trump's time so

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it's gone from the Obama times and also

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way before that you've cited Obama to to

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Trump to Biden and it's still carrying

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on so really we hope it is that

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bipartisan issue that that multiple

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parties can get behind as well so don't

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be throwing a hit of our way

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um worth mentioning as well that the

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midterms are kind of over now and all of

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the people who have been talking about

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UFOs like Gallagher galejo Marco Rubio

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Gila brand all these people they're

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still in office they didn't lose their

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place so all of kind of I would say the

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Allies to this UFO cause they're all

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still in place and they're all still

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going to be pushing those going forward

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yeah so in terms of the report

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um not much has changed standing in and

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you're thinking it's going to come out I

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mean it's it's unlikely to come out

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today isn't it we record we're recording

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this on the 10th of November which is

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around 4 P.M UK time which is 12 p.m

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Eastern 9 A.M Pacific I believe because

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of the time difference just now so we

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would have had the announcement of the

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the press press jump kit and stuff like

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that for for announcements it's probably

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not going to come out today and the

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likelihood would be if it does come out

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this week it would be tomorrow anyway

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we've kind of thought but right now

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there's no indication it's going to be

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tomorrow or next week should we let's

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pick a date and whoever loses we'll give

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a Fiverr to charity

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um I'm gonna go for next

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oh well a week tomorrow I would say

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I'm going to go tomorrow Friday 11th

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tomorrow cool nice yeah my sources tell

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me no I'm joking

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I really hope it comes out now some

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people get like all thing over that yeah

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um I did ask last week how people were

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feeling online and social media about

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the report being delayed and I asked are

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you frustrated do you repeat task force

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report still hasn't been released and

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that was on the 4th of November 64 said

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yes 13 said No 19 said a little and the

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rest said other and left a comment in

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the comment as you would expect a list

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uh the general sarcasm from for many of

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the regulars so thanks for that and also

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a lot of folks are saying they're not I

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think generally they're they're not

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surprised

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a mix of Elections going on just a

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little bit of conspiracy not not in a

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totally out there way but you know

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because of the subject because of the

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stigma of course they're going to delete

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it they're trying to to kind of derail

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things a little bit and I can get that I

402
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can totally get that

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um that's interesting actually because

404
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yeah during the midterms they could have

405
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buried it we thought they were going to

406
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bury it over a weekend and actually the

407
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midterms have passed now so there's

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going to be more of a spotlight on it if

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it comes out now so that you know the

410
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argument goes both ways it's going to be

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really interesting to see the reaction

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once this actually drops

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uh Dan time for a quick listener

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question that was sent to me literally

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as I was waiting on you coming on to the

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the recordable

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um from Brian lemery Brian's about a

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long time patreon uh Brian asks Andy why

419
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do you think we don't hear about

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abductions as much anymore it peaked

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from the 50s to the 90s then dropped off

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anything to do with the introduction of

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the camera phone I'm sure I talked about

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this a little bit with uh Jay

425
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Christopher and James eiendoli so if

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you'd missed that one Brian go back and

427
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check that out because obviously there

428
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are members of the experiencer group J

429
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Christopher Kings one of the founders

430
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um and they're coming back on in a few

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weeks to talk about their upcoming uh

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anomalous inquiry conference it's

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happening on December 3rd then you'll be

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out there with graham Randall again

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um and we'll talk we'll talk about that

436
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maybe we'll talk about that again

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however yeah for me

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I think partly and I'm just going to

439
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think out loud to your Dan 50s to the

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90s especially from that 80s to 90s

441
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period the UFO subject was confined

442
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largely given there was no social media

443
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to to magazines newsletters and VHS

444
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videotapes that were available in HMV

445
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and all that kind of stuff to VHS just

446
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for the people that are listening it was

447
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like it was like betamax

448
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um

449
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nice yeah yeah thanks

450
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um I think it was confined to the

451
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mainstream one of the portrayals of the

452
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UFO subject was people get abducted and

453
00:16:05,150 --> 00:16:02,880
probed

454
00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:05,160
people get abducted and operated on you

455
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know that that was just one of the

456
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things and I think if social medias can

457
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have taken off and we've we've started

458
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exploring all these different facets and

459
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ideas of the UFO topic I think that one

460
00:16:20,750 --> 00:16:18,899
just dropped off not to say it doesn't

461
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happen and I think that's something that

462
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if you listen to to any of the

463
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interviewers had done God was it earlier

464
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this year now in this before the summer

465
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with some of the experiences I had a few

466
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a few weeks where I had different

467
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interviews with a few members of the

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experiencer group if you go back and

469
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listen to some of their stories these

470
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are people who are telling you this is

471
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happening to them still now it's just

472
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still not an accepted aspect of anything

473
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and again God I want to say Dan if I've

474
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put it to you do you remember the guest

475
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I spoke to that talked about how there

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are there aren't many

477
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facets of society left where you can

478
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claim to have been was it Whitely stupid

479
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actually you should be being ripped

480
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which is essentially what his claim is

481
00:17:06,169 --> 00:17:04,439
with his his experience and he says you

482
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know I I had a doctor examined me and

483
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see I'd basically been raped and if I

484
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say in any society that X Y or Z don't

485
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it it's a very serious thing it's a

486
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crime it's it's reported you get support

487
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you get help but if you say it was a

488
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non-human intelligence an out-of-body

489
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experience an alien being it's a laugh

490
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and it's not treated seriously and it

491
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still happens so yeah it's a really

492
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complicated and complex conversation

493
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still I think isn't it

494
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um what what do you think then yeah I

495
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mean I I totally agree with everything

496
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you say there what it brings to mind

497
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um missing 4-1-1 I know they've got a

498
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documentary coming out about the UFO

499
00:17:46,669 --> 00:17:43,380
connection and that's all about

500
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basically people going missing in sites

501
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around America usually near caves or

502
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kind of underground systems in national

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parks and a lot of people have drawn

504
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comparisons between abductions and a lot

505
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of those experiences so with their third

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movie they're diving head first in and

507
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seeing what the connections are

508
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um I I would also say that you know

509
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there are clearly people out there like

510
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you say that that are experiencing these

511
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things

512
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but also maybe we don't hear about it so

513
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much because they've just gotten better

514
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at taking people

515
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you know I've said before what what if

516
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people aren't coming back anymore to

517
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tell their stories uh we've got to

518
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consider it as crazy as it sounds

519
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I think even if you take a similar type

520
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of discussion

521
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especially in the past from a point of

522
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view when there was no social media when

523
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people would claim to be the second

524
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coming of Christ or a reincarnated

525
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Spirit you know that on social media now

526
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because of their volume of people on

527
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social media is Amplified and it's just

528
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,799
you see so much stuff now you're exposed

529
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:45,360
to so much more than you used to be just

530
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as a person with the Advent uptake of

531
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social media if you're on there that I

532
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think you become desensitized to it as

533
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well and you just scroll past it oh

534
00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,780
someone's claiming to be abducted

535
00:18:59,330 --> 00:18:57,120
someone saw a UFO someone's posted a

536
00:19:02,029 --> 00:18:59,340
video probably CGI and you can just miss

537
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:02,039
really really obvious things because of

538
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:04,080
hoaxies because of fake stories because

539
00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:06,900
of lack of context and information and I

540
00:19:10,610 --> 00:19:08,760
think it's just a symptom of the kind of

541
00:19:13,370 --> 00:19:10,620
times we live in but if you've missed

542
00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,380
those brain or or um anyone else go back

543
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,360
and listen to those experiencer stories

544
00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:17,760
and especially if you listen to James

545
00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:19,559
and Jay's interview from a few weeks ago

546
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:22,140
with myself and try and catch the repeat

547
00:19:26,090 --> 00:19:24,720
of their conference or even the one that

548
00:19:28,130 --> 00:19:26,100
Dan and Graham are going out to in the

549
00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:28,140
third December which has Christopher

550
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,179
Merlin as a headliner with Leslie Kane

551
00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:32,400
and others I think that'll be definitely

552
00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:34,500
right up your street in terms of the the

553
00:19:39,409 --> 00:19:36,600
abduction conversation definitely has

554
00:19:41,570 --> 00:19:39,419
its place within within that setting and

555
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,580
those people involved

556
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,919
yeah I had the pleasure of having a bit

557
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:45,360
of a talk with the experience of group

558
00:19:49,490 --> 00:19:48,000
this past Sunday and I I would highly

559
00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:49,500
recommend if people are interested in

560
00:19:52,909 --> 00:19:51,240
these experiences and talking to people

561
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:52,919
who talk about them sincerely and

562
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:55,440
seriously uh you know join up to the

563
00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:56,880
group go talk to them they're a real

564
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,200
nice bunch of real welcoming bunch

565
00:20:02,690 --> 00:20:00,720
there's no judgment it's just discussing

566
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,700
what's on the table very frankly you

567
00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:04,799
know almost like at the moment you know

568
00:20:08,990 --> 00:20:06,539
publicly the nuts and bolts conversation

569
00:20:10,669 --> 00:20:09,000
is happening uh they're very much having

570
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,679
the same tone of conversation but about

571
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,720
experiences and abductions so so I'd

572
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:14,640
highly recommend uh popping along to the

573
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,260
experience a group and meeting those

574
00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:18,720
guys cool I would hope to be back with

575
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:21,299
Dan recording tomorrow for a breaking

576
00:20:24,409 --> 00:20:23,340
news pod discussing the dropping of the

577
00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,419
report

578
00:20:27,409 --> 00:20:26,220
um it might be tomorrow it might be the

579
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:27,419
following Friday it could be something

580
00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:29,520
in between or after we just don't know

581
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,020
but and when that does drop we'll be

582
00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:32,880
straight with you with an update on that

583
00:20:36,590 --> 00:20:34,260
folks and what is actually contained

584
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,600
within the report I will leave you now

585
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,120
with uh the guys from estimate of the

586
00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:41,039
situation a graphic novel based on the

587
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,559
UFO phenomenon Dan you picked up a copy

588
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:45,360
from the guys at Comic Con over in New

589
00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:47,340
York I'm waiting on my copy being posted

590
00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:49,140
to me and I believe you're gonna love it

591
00:20:52,370 --> 00:20:51,000
yeah the link is in the description I've

592
00:20:54,529 --> 00:20:52,380
had the digital copy so I've read

593
00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:54,539
through that and you can still buy a

594
00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:56,220
copy of the issue number one and issue

595
00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:58,260
number two is coming out soon but the

596
00:21:01,310 --> 00:20:59,820
link is in the description as with

597
00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:01,320
everything everything else we've talked

598
00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:04,200
about on this pod and I'll hand over to

599
00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:07,620
Tom orzakowski or zachovsky or zakovsky

600
00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:09,660
you'll hear what about that right at the

601
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:11,640
start of the interview and John zeitis

602
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:14,160
so Dan thanks for joining us thank you

603
00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:16,260
and uh yeah enjoy the interview with the

604
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,580
guys that are making that graphic novel

605
00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:19,679
it's awesome here they are

606
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:22,200
joining me now on this week's breakdown

607
00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:25,260
are the authors of estimate of the

608
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:27,419
situation the Fantastic graphic novel

609
00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:30,360
recently launched for you to purchase

610
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:32,340
and buy I've got my copy already

611
00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:34,380
virtually and it is fantastic and I

612
00:21:38,510 --> 00:21:36,299
really wanted to speak to both offers on

613
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:38,520
the podcast finally joining me after a

614
00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:41,039
couple of reschedules all on my part are

615
00:21:47,330 --> 00:21:44,780
Tom orzakowsky and join

616
00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:47,340
zeitusky after dinner

617
00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:50,940
it's fine dude I [\h__\h] up my own name oh

618
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:53,580
my God like yeah okay I might even just

619
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,559
leave that in Tom or is a Chelsea and

620
00:21:59,810 --> 00:21:57,840
John zeitis after I have just literally

621
00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:59,820
asked you how to pronounce that uh it

622
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:01,380
says the guy called mcgrillin that no

623
00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:02,880
one can pronounce so

624
00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:04,500
um and I also have to mention it is

625
00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:06,179
beautifully Illustrated as well by

626
00:22:10,669 --> 00:22:09,059
Ezekiel Anastasia so yeah I have to get

627
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:10,679
that in there because it does look

628
00:22:16,090 --> 00:22:13,080
phenomenal uh welcome both of you to the

629
00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:18,950
yeah man happy to be here uh it's been

630
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:21,179
it's been a long time and uh we're just

631
00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:22,500
like we're finally happy to have it out

632
00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:23,880
in the wild

633
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,700
yes um listen I'm going to read the

634
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,980
synopsis first because this isn't just

635
00:22:33,529 --> 00:22:30,960
any old graphic novel or book on UFOs

636
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:33,539
and it's really interesting so based on

637
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,520
Declassified documents and extensive

638
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:37,679
historical research estimate of the

639
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,020
situation as an exploration and to the

640
00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:42,720
beginning of the UFO phenomenon and the

641
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:44,700
US military's response in the wake of

642
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:47,220
World War II and the growing threat of

643
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:49,740
Russian aggression sounds a bit familiar

644
00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:50,820
doesn't it

645
00:22:54,770 --> 00:22:52,919
um following the trend of smarter sci-fi

646
00:22:56,690 --> 00:22:54,780
and dynamic approach to storytelling

647
00:22:58,370 --> 00:22:56,700
estimate of the situation delivers a

648
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:58,380
fascinating mysterious and compelling

649
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,179
story while staying true to our

650
00:23:04,970 --> 00:23:02,640
historical understanding of the UFO

651
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:04,980
phenomenon Tom let's kick off for

652
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:07,380
yourself where did this whole idea come

653
00:23:10,010 --> 00:23:08,580
from

654
00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:10,020
man

655
00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:13,020
um where to start so I I mean I feel

656
00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:14,940
like it started with just me kind of

657
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,919
like peeling peeling back documents and

658
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:18,240
trying to figure out what happened in

659
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,100
that time period because I kept coming

660
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:22,559
across conversations with people and you

661
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:23,880
know like when you when you believe

662
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,980
something and you're not necessarily

663
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,600
equipped to talk about it the

664
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,000
conversations you have kind of they

665
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,880
falter quite a bit so I went back to

666
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:34,320
like the beginning I wanted to find out

667
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,820
what happened in the beginning how this

668
00:23:39,649 --> 00:23:37,919
phenomenon get started you know when we

669
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:39,659
know Kenneth Arnold kind of Set It Off

670
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:41,700
but how did the government respond and

671
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:44,580
like is there something to it so as I

672
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,980
you know dug deeper and deeper I um I

673
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:49,020
got really enamored with project sign

674
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,940
which was the first government inquiry

675
00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:53,520
into the UFO phenomenon

676
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:55,380
um and it just

677
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,059
they were just like a compelling story

678
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,039
in there in a team of like Engineers

679
00:24:04,250 --> 00:24:01,440
Intelligence Officers scientists who

680
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,260
really uh you know as McCoy would later

681
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,960
say like like this was the one of the

682
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:08,580
most serious studies into the UFO

683
00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:10,020
phenomenon by the government like they

684
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:12,360
threw everything they had at it to find

685
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:15,240
out the answer and it's an interesting

686
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,280
kind of a journey because they go

687
00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:19,320
through this journey of okay well you

688
00:24:22,970 --> 00:24:21,000
know is this a domestic project it's not

689
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:22,980
a domestic project are these Russians

690
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:25,380
you know under the the backdrop of this

691
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,480
cold war that was forming so that kind

692
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,799
of you know had them running around for

693
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,240
a year but they ultimately came to this

694
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:32,400
conclusion that okay it's not domestic

695
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:34,860
it's not Russians but it's out there

696
00:24:39,049 --> 00:24:37,620
it's not one of ours right and that

697
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:39,059
whole journey of these engineers and

698
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,919
Intelligence Officers investigating this

699
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,500
and coming to what was known as like

700
00:24:47,390 --> 00:24:46,080
what the Extraterrestrial hypothesis

701
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,400
um I thought was very compelling and I

702
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,919
just I couldn't believe that you know no

703
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:51,360
one really talks about this because this

704
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:53,280
is our own government who funded this

705
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:55,380
and came to this conclusion which later

706
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,940
caused some trouble like over at the

707
00:25:00,110 --> 00:24:58,320
Pentagon

708
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,120
um once we found out there was a

709
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,880
compelling story there I mean we're me

710
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,860
and John we're we're storytellers like

711
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:06,360
this is kind of like what we do we've

712
00:25:10,190 --> 00:25:08,580
been doing our whole life and you know

713
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:10,200
this was the first project where I think

714
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,460
because we've been trying to work on

715
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,679
something together for a while where I

716
00:25:17,810 --> 00:25:16,080
think there was a passion into into like

717
00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:17,820
really like digging into their research

718
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:19,799
and finding out what happened and

719
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,440
turning that into a uh into a narrative

720
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:24,240
story using the characters using the

721
00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:27,779
dates using the events right so uh

722
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,580
that's how it got started and it just

723
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:31,200
kind of snowballed from there and you

724
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:32,760
know John is a really interesting take

725
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,820
too because John unlike me uh wasn't

726
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,679
necessarily a believer in a lot of this

727
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,539
and once he dug into their research now

728
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:41,760
he'll tell you like all right Tom I

729
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:43,020
still don't agree with you on some

730
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:44,460
things but something definitely [\h__\h]

731
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,440
happened you know

732
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:49,260
um and I'll just I'll lead that uh to

733
00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:51,299
John

734
00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:53,100
yeah I mean uh

735
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,900
I didn't have a strong opinion one way

736
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,120
or another I wasn't in the UFO lore like

737
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,559
Tom was I mean it was always we've had

738
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:00,659
conversations about it in the past but

739
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,600
um you know he basically brought me the

740
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:05,760
idea of the project and he had already

741
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:07,620
sketched he already gotten some art done

742
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:09,659
and basically had a rough issue written

743
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,440
and so I came on and

744
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,480
um yeah I guess I came from a more

745
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:17,039
objective point of view just because I I

746
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:20,279
hadn't been this is all new to me

747
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:23,460
um but yeah the more I re my

748
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,860
original inclination my intuition was

749
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:27,539
okay there's probably an explanation for

750
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:28,980
these things

751
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:30,900
um and then the more you look into it

752
00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:32,940
the more complicated it becomes and then

753
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,380
it becomes exceedingly obvious that uh

754
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,600
these things were flying around uh

755
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:41,460
something that no virtually no one

756
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,080
denied I mean that that isn't what this

757
00:26:48,049 --> 00:26:45,419
story is about is the government well

758
00:26:49,610 --> 00:26:48,059
there's public denial but certainly

759
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,620
internally there's no denial that these

760
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:52,200
things were real uh where the denial and

761
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,840
the uh confusion and the disagreements

762
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,880
come in as to what these things actually

763
00:27:06,230 --> 00:26:58,320
are

764
00:27:08,570 --> 00:27:06,240
uh the military during this time I mean

765
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,580
there's a reason why so it's about like

766
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:10,200
Tom mentioned project sign it takes

767
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:11,520
place basically over a year and a half

768
00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,140
right from Kenneth Arnold's uh first UFO

769
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,299
sighting which wasn't the first but it

770
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:21,120
was the one that sparked the uh cultural

771
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:22,500
phenomenon

772
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,980
um to win project ended uh you know not

773
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:27,480
a very you know the project sign was

774
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:30,120
only technically established not long

775
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,700
before it ended and it ended for

776
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:34,559
specific reasons

777
00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:35,880
um that obviously we'll get into it

778
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,799
don't give too much away but basically

779
00:27:42,909 --> 00:27:40,559
uh there were certain conclusions that

780
00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:42,919
uh certain people disagreed with

781
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:46,460
what you've both done was uh use

782
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,400
legitimate documents and a true story to

783
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,559
to base your work on it would have been

784
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:55,200
very easy for you especially in in a

785
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:57,240
first issue to have Little Green Men

786
00:28:02,390 --> 00:28:00,419
flying saucers action panels was that

787
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:02,400
ever thought to do that or was always

788
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:04,140
the idea that no it's going to be

789
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,640
straight to the point it's going to be

790
00:28:10,669 --> 00:28:07,919
factual based my friend Graham Randall

791
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,679
who writes a lot of the historical Deep

792
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:13,140
dive books into the UFO history back in

793
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:15,720
the 40s and 50s would absolutely love

794
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:18,059
the the you've stuck to your guns on

795
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:20,520
this was however the notion to move away

796
00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:21,539
from that and get a little bit

797
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:23,700
Independence Day

798
00:28:27,649 --> 00:28:25,740
that's that's a really good question I

799
00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:27,659
think in the beginning it was pretty

800
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:30,419
much kind of like okay this uh the

801
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,740
phenomenon the UFO phenomenon

802
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,120
specifically has been represented in

803
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,279
media I think really poorly you know you

804
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:37,320
always have like this cheesy X-Files

805
00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:40,320
music you have these big bug alien

806
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,700
Independence Day invasions like you're

807
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,919
talking about so I personally wanted to

808
00:28:48,289 --> 00:28:45,659
make something that I wanted to read and

809
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:48,299
watch and for me that's something rooted

810
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:51,179
in you know historical accuracy

811
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,159
um really tells you the story the people

812
00:28:57,529 --> 00:28:55,320
involved so that we never want to

813
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:57,539
deviate away from that and there's one

814
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:00,299
scene in issue one where you know it it

815
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,940
stretched a little bit to the max where

816
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,559
we would absolutely stretch a scene

817
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:06,539
behind what happens behind closed doors

818
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,240
and uh that was a point of contention

819
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,820
for for a little bit but like that was a

820
00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:13,440
welcome point of contention because now

821
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:15,179
you know like we're we have these

822
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,380
principles and we have these standards

823
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:19,200
so it's nice to to kind of stick by our

824
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:21,419
guns like you said I mean it's just it's

825
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,640
so easy to again include like little

826
00:29:29,149 --> 00:29:25,679
green men and all these like far off

827
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:29,159
like like crazy Invasion ideas but uh

828
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:30,840
that's just not interesting to me you

829
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:32,039
know and I I don't think that's

830
00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:33,720
interesting John either it's it's the

831
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,539
actual like the story itself is so it's

832
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:38,159
so bizarre and compelling you don't need

833
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:41,460
to exaggerate which is you know blows my

834
00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:43,020
mind

835
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:45,080
yeah I mean it's not even a matter of

836
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:48,600
not having enough uh to talk about it's

837
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:51,120
having too much and trying to focus in

838
00:29:57,710 --> 00:29:53,820
on the most important basically

839
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:57,720
checkpoints which drives uh the length

840
00:30:01,490 --> 00:29:59,940
of time that we're covering

841
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,500
um yeah I mean in terms of Little Green

842
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:03,120
Men I mean for example like you know

843
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:04,620
Roswell happens during this time we

844
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:07,340
don't tackle Roswell head on but it's

845
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,020
really hard to it would be really hard

846
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:12,720
because just to jump ahead a little like

847
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:14,460
we're thinking about doing tackling

848
00:30:17,389 --> 00:30:15,899
Roswell specifically after this it would

849
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,399
be really hard to tackle Roswell without

850
00:30:22,669 --> 00:30:20,399
jumping to con conclusions potentially

851
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,679
Crazy Ones in order to tell that story

852
00:30:26,690 --> 00:30:24,960
but this story because we're able to

853
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,700
come we're able to tell it from the

854
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,000
perspective of these uh military people

855
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:33,240
these Engineers uh these scientists who

856
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:37,140
are basically going you know the sense

857
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,480
is to go through their eyes is to see it

858
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,520
through their eyes because they are also

859
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:42,960
trying to figure out what's going on so

860
00:30:48,889 --> 00:30:45,419
so we're with them in on the mystery as

861
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,899
opposed to actually trying to tell a

862
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:50,460
mystery like you know hey here's a

863
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:51,360
mystery we're going to give you the

864
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,220
answer to the mystery

865
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:56,640
um so we do and like Tom said I I find

866
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:58,740
that's the more compelling story to tell

867
00:31:00,590 --> 00:30:59,640
too

868
00:31:01,850 --> 00:31:00,600
um obviously we got to take certain

869
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:01,860
creative Liberties because we don't know

870
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:03,240
what these guys talked about and what's

871
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:05,039
interesting too is some of these guys

872
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:06,179
you would think there'd be more

873
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:09,419
information on them uh and there's not a

874
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:10,679
lot of digging for some of them even

875
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:14,640
though like a few of these guys uh were

876
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:17,520
very important in uh world like very

877
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:18,720
heavily evolved in operation paper

878
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,659
paperclip for example are essentially a

879
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:24,299
star of the series Alfred ludding was a

880
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:26,159
brilliant rocket engineer I mean like

881
00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,140
just uh among the most brilliant they

882
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,600
had in the military working for them uh

883
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,279
civilian engineer one of the first

884
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,600
active civilian engineers at the

885
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:35,580
military uh hired

886
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:40,440
um and so yeah I mean we have the

887
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:42,120
it's just it's just incredible how

888
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:43,559
little we tend to know about them almost

889
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,159
as if uh the history has been either

890
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:49,679
hidden or suppressed or not well told so

891
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:51,539
we're trying to correct the record on

892
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:53,460
that but for the most yeah one of the

893
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,460
idea is it being a fact-based story as

894
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:58,080
much as we can be

895
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,640
yeah I just want to jump off that real

896
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,679
quick and like give a shout out to Wendy

897
00:32:04,909 --> 00:32:03,720
Connors who she passed away earlier this

898
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:04,919
year but she was one of the old school

899
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,080
researchers who like literally like I

900
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,059
was you know we hit up a bunch of res

901
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,279
like quote-unquote OG researchers to

902
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:13,200
kind of figure out the details of the

903
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:14,820
story and the people involved and Wendy

904
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,919
Connors was one of them and we had a

905
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:18,360
bunch of email correspondences with each

906
00:32:23,389 --> 00:32:21,299
other where she sent me an archive of uh

907
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,399
interviews that she had done with Alfred

908
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:25,440
ludding's son you know and even like uh

909
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:27,360
Albert dyerman's son right so the sons

910
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:28,980
of the people involved with project sign

911
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,899
talking about their fathers and what

912
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:32,640
they knew and what they heard

913
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:34,140
um so that that's like kind of the

914
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:36,720
extent of of just the uh the research

915
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,600
that we uh were doing but like you know

916
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:41,279
without these people it'd be impossible

917
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,539
because like we're using so many

918
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,700
resources from people who have completed

919
00:32:48,350 --> 00:32:46,559
the historical record and for me that's

920
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,360
really important because you know we

921
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:49,679
want people to read this and walk away

922
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,440
with an idea of what happened and who

923
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:54,480
was involved because this is such a I

924
00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:55,980
mean I think it's an amazing point in

925
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,539
time you know for now just art history

926
00:33:01,730 --> 00:32:59,820
but like UFO phenomena in general like

927
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:01,740
it's to me it's still kind of crazy how

928
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,500
people don't talk about it as much you

929
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,760
know when this was just all over the

930
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:07,980
country at the time you're talking about

931
00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,200
a time that was your seven or eight

932
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:12,539
decades away from social media being the

933
00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:15,059
the conglomerate or the monster that it

934
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:17,100
is and some of these folks would have

935
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,019
probably been on social media had it

936
00:33:23,450 --> 00:33:21,120
been of the time and people maybe don't

937
00:33:25,789 --> 00:33:23,460
realize how lucky they are having the

938
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:25,799
heads of of serious government UFO

939
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:28,440
programs available to DM now on Twitter

940
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,260
or speak to an Instagram or to Reddit

941
00:33:34,909 --> 00:33:33,419
amas and some people don't know what

942
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:34,919
they've got with that sort of access

943
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,840
until until it's not there and I think

944
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,360
that's the Mystique sometimes of some of

945
00:33:44,090 --> 00:33:41,880
these these people that they are so

946
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:44,100
Elusive and mysterious and their

947
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:45,360
backgrounds are just they're just not

948
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:47,340
there because there wasn't the same

949
00:33:51,470 --> 00:33:48,539
records kept there was no

950
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:51,480
computerization there was no Twitter or

951
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,399
there was no forums to discuss this in

952
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,200
so it's it's stuff that you really have

953
00:33:59,210 --> 00:33:57,600
to dig into and drag up and I think it's

954
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,220
what's really interesting is that the

955
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,100
medium that you're using is isn't widely

956
00:34:06,049 --> 00:34:04,320
used at all to reach that UFO audience

957
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:06,059
sure there's there's kind of superhero

958
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:07,980
comics and there's alien based Comics

959
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:09,780
all that kind of stuff but a real

960
00:34:13,550 --> 00:34:11,639
serious approach that you guys are using

961
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:13,560
with the graphic novel slash I'll say

962
00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,440
comic format do you think this can catch

963
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,300
the imagination of an audience or

964
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,359
demographic that others haven't yet and

965
00:34:25,010 --> 00:34:23,040
what I mean by that hopefully is I'm

966
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,020
getting us a point across can you pull

967
00:34:28,990 --> 00:34:26,879
people into the UFO subject maybe like

968
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,000
John who didn't have an interest before

969
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,440
or do you think it's going to primarily

970
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:33,179
be aimed at the folks who already have

971
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,740
that interest

972
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:37,440
I mean my hope is for for the latter I

973
00:34:40,849 --> 00:34:39,060
mean for both right we want people who

974
00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:40,859
who know this subject to to really be

975
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:42,780
like oh wow let me stick my teeth into

976
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,760
this and they'll come away with like

977
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:46,320
hopefully a better understanding of what

978
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,359
happened also just be entertained with a

979
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,700
compelling story but yeah part of it is

980
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:52,440
and I hate using the word Trojan Horse

981
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:53,399
but

982
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:55,500
um it's a way to Trojan Horse this kind

983
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:57,300
of information into like hopefully a

984
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,700
wider appeal where now you see you know

985
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,680
like every three years or so that the

986
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,720
buzz kind of comes up someone sees them

987
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:05,280
like a Nimitz video gets released or

988
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:06,780
there's a congressional hearing and

989
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,280
people start getting interested and

990
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:09,839
really like when they do what are the

991
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,119
resources they have to kind of go and

992
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:13,800
find out more about something like this

993
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:16,500
right so I'm hoping to to really kind of

994
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:19,560
capture a wider appeal of even if we

995
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,180
start with sci-fi fans something like

996
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:23,280
that and then for them to read this and

997
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:25,020
come away thinking holy [\h__\h] that

998
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:27,480
happened let me go let me go actually

999
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,460
double check that they said that you

1000
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,960
know there's this document here that

1001
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,820
says this this and this let me go see if

1002
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,680
I can Google that or research or find

1003
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,599
myself and lead them down their own

1004
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,339
Rabbit Hole you know which I think

1005
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:40,400
ultimately for me is would be awesome

1006
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:43,320
and I think like you know like John said

1007
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,180
earlier uh we just want people enjoy

1008
00:35:51,050 --> 00:35:48,060
like a really compelling story you know

1009
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,060
yeah and just jumping off that I mean um

1010
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:54,480
uh yeah I mean this is part of why I

1011
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,339
think we find this period of time so

1012
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:58,079
interesting and why we're telling the

1013
00:36:02,270 --> 00:35:59,460
story in the way in which we are it's

1014
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:02,280
the idea of bringing on people who might

1015
00:36:07,010 --> 00:36:05,220
either be skeptical or not have an

1016
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:07,020
opinion on the UFO phenomenon and we're

1017
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,140
not stuffing our conclusions what we may

1018
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:12,240
feel down their throat I mean just to be

1019
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,740
in full disclosure I still don't know

1020
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:15,119
what these are

1021
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,099
um but at the very least or I still

1022
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,500
should say obviously no one does to an

1023
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,880
extent but I I don't have a strong

1024
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:23,160
opinion on what they are I have ideas

1025
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:25,140
but I'm not necessarily leaning one way

1026
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,000
or another but even the idea of being

1027
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:28,560
skeptical of whether these sightings are

1028
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,060
real those are the type of people that I

1029
00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:31,680
think reading this story

1030
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:35,160
can really find a a compelling narrative

1031
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,540
that can actually draw them in and then

1032
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:38,820
for the UFO Community already people in

1033
00:36:43,069 --> 00:36:41,099
that Community hopefully you know we do

1034
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,079
will do right by the history and they'll

1035
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:46,260
see that yes um but also maybe they have

1036
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,119
skeptical friends family and be like

1037
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,700
okay listen I'm not gonna tell you uh

1038
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:52,140
Spiel or give you a story about you know

1039
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:53,579
the green aliens walking around but why

1040
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,859
not take a look at this book or this

1041
00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:56,880
story

1042
00:37:01,490 --> 00:36:58,859
um which takes a more measured back

1043
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:01,500
brace approach and tell you what uh tell

1044
00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:02,820
me what you think

1045
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,440
um so I think Tom is right it is a bit

1046
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:06,720
of a trojan horse in that way

1047
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:09,000
um where uh we're trying to be skeptical

1048
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:10,859
too I mean that's the idea we're coming

1049
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:13,020
from a from a place of skepticism when

1050
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,820
we're telling this story uh we're not

1051
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:16,619
trying to take anything for granted um

1052
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:20,160
which is why we've done so much research

1053
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:22,440
um John I can respect that that you've

1054
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:25,320
not made a decision yet and to be fair I

1055
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:27,780
I haven't and my my own opinion changes

1056
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:29,339
and it's very fluid and I would always

1057
00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:31,020
recommend to anyone you know listen to

1058
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,520
everyone but make up your don't mind is

1059
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,320
what I try and say to folks and

1060
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,020
depending on the time time of the year

1061
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,640
and maybe some of the stuff that's

1062
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,800
floating about online and maybe the

1063
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:42,300
narrative other people are kind of going

1064
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,740
at and you hear different people's

1065
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:46,560
opinions and it makes you go ah maybe as

1066
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,020
more of this or maybe as some of this or

1067
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:51,660
actually I've never considered option e

1068
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,540
or if or G before it's always been a b

1069
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:56,400
or c and that that's that's a really

1070
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,660
interesting thing and what I love about

1071
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,880
the subject as well that it doesn't have

1072
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:01,500
to be one thing and it can be what you

1073
00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:04,020
make of it as well and right now not

1074
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:06,839
many people if anyone actually do know

1075
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:08,579
um so that's that's the beauty of this

1076
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,960
subject I think in what people can

1077
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:11,820
sometimes forget to fall out of love

1078
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:13,859
with it a little bit but I wanted to

1079
00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:16,020
talk about feedback on the initial issue

1080
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,579
and just I just literally came across

1081
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,680
this a few minutes ago Chase Howard who

1082
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,540
does some producing for the Roswell

1083
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:23,520
Daily Record podcast

1084
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,619
um and others uh put some lovely

1085
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,839
feedback for you and just finished eots

1086
00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:29,760
underscore comic which is your Twitter

1087
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:31,560
handle and it lives up to the hype when

1088
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:33,660
does the next one come out seriously

1089
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,220
going to read through a few more times

1090
00:38:38,530 --> 00:38:37,020
to catch all the details love the

1091
00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:38,540
artwork and the way the story is told

1092
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:40,859
interesting that they've seen it and

1093
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,540
read it as it's layered there's so much

1094
00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:44,339
information within there is that

1095
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:46,200
something that you both planned in

1096
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,940
writing that you wanted people to maybe

1097
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,560
find at least the eggs or things are

1098
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:51,480
going to miss first time round and they

1099
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:53,099
can dive back in and kind of get that

1100
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:55,260
second and third reading out of it

1101
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,380
yeah I mean we even we included uh like

1102
00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:00,060
you know copies of real documents in

1103
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:01,740
there like the Kenneth Arnold report the

1104
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:03,240
Armstrong report

1105
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:04,920
um and like we will mention certain

1106
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:06,599
things along the way where people do

1107
00:39:10,490 --> 00:39:08,220
pick up again they can take that piece

1108
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,500
of information research it even further

1109
00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:12,960
and go down this this whole rabbit hole

1110
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:14,460
and you know like the feedback has been

1111
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:17,099
you know thank God it's it's been great

1112
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,660
uh I mean there's a we were a little

1113
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:20,160
nervous sending it out there you know

1114
00:39:24,109 --> 00:39:22,500
and um you know feedback at Comic-Con

1115
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:24,119
was great people I I think are really

1116
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,619
hungry for something that again takes a

1117
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:27,119
more measured approach like John was

1118
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,680
saying uh something that like doesn't

1119
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:30,180
shove an opinion down their throat but

1120
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:31,619
says hey take a look at this because

1121
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:34,260
this is a little strange right

1122
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,260
um and just people like on Twitter you

1123
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:39,359
know uh honestly like a lot of our sales

1124
00:39:43,609 --> 00:39:41,220
have come from Twitter and people just

1125
00:39:46,010 --> 00:39:43,619
they like it they seem to like it

1126
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:46,020
um I'm I'm just I'm glad because I know

1127
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:47,460
the expectation sometimes is when you

1128
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:50,579
get open up a UFO book you want the UFO

1129
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,980
over you know the the Capitol Building

1130
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:54,960
or something like that you know and this

1131
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,780
is not about that so it's uh it's really

1132
00:40:02,329 --> 00:39:59,820
relieving to kind of just just kind of

1133
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:02,339
hear that uh I would say like good

1134
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:04,200
feedback

1135
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,579
you know makes it and it makes us want

1136
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,440
to do more you know at the same time so

1137
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,119
like I mean the second issue comes out

1138
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,119
in the um middle December that's what

1139
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:13,680
we're aiming for we're currently this

1140
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:16,020
wall behind me is a little bare because

1141
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:17,640
we're getting ready to start plotting

1142
00:40:22,849 --> 00:40:20,579
out every single point for issue two

1143
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,859
um and uh it's just you know it's It's a

1144
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,720
Grind but at the same time like you know

1145
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,160
we wouldn't be doing it like we didn't

1146
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:29,520
really uh just leave in the story you

1147
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,900
know and believe in the message that

1148
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:32,880
we're trying to put out

1149
00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:35,160
and there's a limited run for issue one

1150
00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:37,260
as well so I would suggest folks if you

1151
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:39,060
want a copy of it I'm going to be

1152
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:40,440
tweeting this out as soon as we finish

1153
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:41,820
the recording

1154
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,740
um and then this recording will go a few

1155
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:45,420
days after that maybe a week or so after

1156
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:47,579
I would suggest you you get your copy

1157
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,079
now if you're if you're going to get it

1158
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,640
before they run out

1159
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:52,800
um there are digital copies available

1160
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,020
worldwide but I'm right and saying at

1161
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:56,940
the moment only ships to the US is that

1162
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,839
correct

1163
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,760
yes so right now it only ships to the

1164
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:01,200
yes and this is again because we're so

1165
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,820
small we're figuring out logistics in

1166
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,460
terms of you know shipping overseas a

1167
00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:07,440
digital version and basically this

1168
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,020
version we have a hundred out and this

1169
00:41:14,030 --> 00:41:11,760
what this does is help us just build for

1170
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:14,040
the next issue right so it helps us

1171
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,099
continue the series and we you know like

1172
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:18,720
eventually we see this becoming like

1173
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:20,940
like a major run so these issues we're

1174
00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:22,619
hoping will appreciate in value and give

1175
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,660
something back to the community in terms

1176
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:26,640
of that way for people

1177
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,780
um but it's just like it's a very

1178
00:41:31,490 --> 00:41:29,940
limited run it's black and white I

1179
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:31,500
honestly prefer black and white to the

1180
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,760
color even though the color looks

1181
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,560
amazing and then later down the road

1182
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,240
we're gonna have more of like a bigger

1183
00:41:40,730 --> 00:41:38,280
release hopefully uh again we're

1184
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:40,740
literally two guys trying to figure this

1185
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:44,099
out it's our first graphic novel so um

1186
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:45,780
it's been kind of a learning experience

1187
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,640
but at the same time again like we're

1188
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,160
thrilled with the reception

1189
00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:52,260
what is the future of the project then

1190
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:54,060
we'll come to join then for that for

1191
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,800
that one what what is the grand plan

1192
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:57,900
that you get those hundred issues sold

1193
00:42:01,970 --> 00:41:59,700
that helps you fund the next it's a bit

1194
00:42:03,950 --> 00:42:01,980
of a Kickstarter a bit of a fundraiser

1195
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:03,960
because if people buy it and it helps

1196
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,579
you get the money to make the next ones

1197
00:42:09,710 --> 00:42:07,380
you can get more of them sent out you

1198
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:09,720
can send internationally where do you

1199
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,589
so we uh we should probably shouldn't

1200
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:17,040
say this but like we are having talks

1201
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:19,260
with people who um who are interested in

1202
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,240
the the quote-unquote that the IP itself

1203
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:24,240
and they're interested in uh translating

1204
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,760
into like the Silver Screen so

1205
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:28,560
ultimately we do see this as like a

1206
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:32,160
movie right uh until then we uh we're

1207
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,320
gonna do this right where it's you know

1208
00:42:38,210 --> 00:42:36,720
a six issue run possibly eight issues

1209
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,220
and we're gonna tell the story from A to

1210
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:40,260
Z and we're just gonna try to tell it as

1211
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:42,180
authentically as we can you know and

1212
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,920
again we're just trying to make things

1213
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:45,720
that we want to see that we want to read

1214
00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:48,060
and hopefully others do too

1215
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:50,099
um and at the same time kind of walk

1216
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:51,420
away with a little bit more

1217
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,220
understanding of of like what happened

1218
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:55,619
in that time period but a movie for sure

1219
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:57,720
you know that would be uh

1220
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,660
that would be so I'm so tired of just a

1221
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:03,839
terrible UFO movies out there

1222
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:06,839
yeah John uh no I'll just say uh agree

1223
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:09,240
but in the short term and and I don't

1224
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:10,380
know Tom agrees with this too it is

1225
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,560
about just making a great graphic novel

1226
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,660
um we also are nerds at heart and we

1227
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,640
also love graphic novels I think that is

1228
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:20,640
part of why Tom chose that Medium

1229
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,119
um but uh but yeah uh certainly uh

1230
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:25,680
potentially on to bigger things in the

1231
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:27,240
future but uh but yeah it's just

1232
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:29,160
bootstrapping this thing so we can you

1233
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:31,140
know we really just uh it really is

1234
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:32,819
truly a passion project

1235
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:34,740
and it's really about getting out those

1236
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,599
issues

1237
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,940
let me ask you in wrapping up uh we'll

1238
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,319
start with you John and then come to

1239
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,720
yourself Tom if someone picks up their

1240
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:45,060
copy of estimate of the situation they

1241
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,619
read through it and they kind of put it

1242
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:48,960
down to guess up with our coffee what do

1243
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:50,819
you want that one thing to be they take

1244
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:57,530
um I would say

1245
00:44:02,270 --> 00:44:00,420
let's assume they're a skeptic like oh

1246
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,280
maybe there's something here I wonder

1247
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:04,319
what happens next

1248
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:06,300
you know what I mean so it's something

1249
00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:09,060
that compels them not only enjoying the

1250
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,099
story but also just a a light hook

1251
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,000
into maybe opening up their mind towards

1252
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:19,440
actually

1253
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:20,460
um

1254
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,619
stepping into this phenomenon and

1255
00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:24,240
joining us for the ride you know

1256
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:26,339
basically they're they want to join us

1257
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,460
on the ride to the mystery with us

1258
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:31,140
and yourself Tom

1259
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,200
I mean John John uh nailed it like when

1260
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:35,760
he said we we hopefully this will open

1261
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,640
people's minds up to the phenomenon and

1262
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:41,040
to to kind of take it more seriously uh

1263
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:42,780
but on the flip side to those who are

1264
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,220
already familiar with it you know let's

1265
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:46,079
say they read the first issue and they

1266
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:48,060
put it down to drink their coffee I want

1267
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:49,800
their first thought to be

1268
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,670
I like that what I'm going to do I'm

1269
00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:57,900
going to get this straight onto uh the

1270
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:59,339
premium feed so if you pay for the

1271
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,619
podcast through Apple podcast any of

1272
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:03,720
that good stuff picking Spotify Etc

1273
00:45:06,589 --> 00:45:05,460
you'll be hearing this separate to the

1274
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:06,599
breakdown episode so you're probably

1275
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:07,859
going to hear at least a week in advance

1276
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,859
so you lot go and get your copy of issue

1277
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,720
one will they still last they might be

1278
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:14,640
going by the time you hear this

1279
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:16,140
um and then if you're hearing it on the

1280
00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:18,119
breakdown you definitely have even less

1281
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,859
time to get your copies so make sure you

1282
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,660
do that and also get in there for issue

1283
00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,400
two as well when it becomes available

1284
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,859
I'll just ask to finish off Tom and John

1285
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:27,720
how can folks follow your both of you

1286
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,579
and how can they pick up the work as

1287
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:31,200
well

1288
00:45:36,349 --> 00:45:33,480
oh so they can follow us on eots

1289
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,359
underscore comic on Twitter uh Instagram

1290
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:39,839
estimate of the situation and our

1291
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:44,690
um and honestly if people use the

1292
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:46,680
hashtag estimate of the situation or

1293
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,500
hashtag eots when they do get their copy

1294
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:51,599
and just kind of like like say a couple

1295
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:52,980
words about it whether you liked it or

1296
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,900
you didn't it helps us tremendously

1297
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:57,359
because at the at this moment you know

1298
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:59,220
again we're just two guys who kind of

1299
00:46:03,290 --> 00:46:01,020
meet up in a coffee shop and then

1300
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:03,300
[\h__\h] spend like four hours going over

1301
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:06,119
documents to tell a story so any any

1302
00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:08,760
word of mouth is appreciated

1303
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:11,160
awesome and both of you listen it'd be

1304
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:12,720
great to have you back on when issue two

1305
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:14,040
is launched I can't wait to get my

1306
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:16,619
physical copy I've read the digital copy

1307
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,319
it's fantastic it's it's a it's not a

1308
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:21,119
quick read in the sense that oh yeah you

1309
00:46:25,309 --> 00:46:22,920
can Breeze through it but it flies by

1310
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,319
it's beautifully Illustrated Again by um

1311
00:46:30,650 --> 00:46:27,900
Ezekiel so well done great job on that

1312
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:30,660
and both of you it's really top work and

1313
00:46:34,490 --> 00:46:32,520
you remind me of two young Graham

1314
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:34,500
Randalls uh if that's a compliment I'm

1315
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,420
sure that is for many folks so

1316
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,640
I love I love Graham I mean we sent him

1317
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:40,319
to digital copy too so I'm waiting for

1318
00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:42,300
him to to give us his thoughts on it

1319
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:44,579
because he's so historically uh accurate

1320
00:46:48,050 --> 00:46:46,380
in his own work but um I just have a

1321
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:48,060
question did you have a favorite scene

1322
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:51,060
that um that like really set out for you

1323
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:53,099
do you know what it was it and this is

1324
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,260
really odd because I don't smoke but

1325
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,839
anytime you had the characters smoking

1326
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:59,520
it just reminded me of what the X-Files

1327
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,260
kind of scenes and you know towards the

1328
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,780
end with the Smoking Man stuff and I

1329
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,800
don't know if that was a deliberate

1330
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:06,900
thing or not but it just it was like

1331
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,020
reading the X-Files in a Watchmen type

1332
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:12,119
format when it comes to graphic novels

1333
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:15,420
so I like that stuff I liked

1334
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:17,099
and again I could quote it because I've

1335
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:18,599
got it opened here which was really bad

1336
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:20,400
I didn't really plan for you to ask me

1337
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:22,619
my favorite scene you know but

1338
00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:26,960
um right at the end uh

1339
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:32,270
got I got straight to everyone smoking

1340
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,960
yeah you know it was a let me ask you

1341
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:36,240
then what's your assessment and you know

1342
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,040
like I said the man wasn't lying he saw

1343
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,560
what he said he saw and right now I'm

1344
00:47:45,050 --> 00:47:42,240
also listening to the audiobook of the

1345
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:45,060
first secret machines novel and comes

1346
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:48,780
along uh and you know all those guys and

1347
00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:51,060
they're both really striking and similar

1348
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,500
in that whole the military background

1349
00:47:57,290 --> 00:47:54,660
what's going on yeah we don't really

1350
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:57,300
know three body problem stuff is kind of

1351
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,640
in my head as well so I like that you've

1352
00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:01,200
taken that they've taken that approach

1353
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:02,579
of you know maybe the government don't

1354
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,160
know as much as they think they do and

1355
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:07,200
yeah they're still trying to let you see

1356
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:08,940
through their eyes they're still trying

1357
00:48:12,589 --> 00:48:10,980
to figure this out which is a nice

1358
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,599
approach to take and it also leaves open

1359
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,000
that yeah but what next which is always

1360
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:17,280
good both for you and for the for the

1361
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:19,619
reader as well so yeah top top what um

1362
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,480
well done guys awesome man thank you

1363
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,800
thank you and I'm just gonna shout out

1364
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,500
uh one more person Dairy Fletcher who

1365
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,960
does our covers he's amazing we found

1366
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:29,520
him off of you for Twitter and it's just

1367
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:31,319
another thing where it's like we got so

1368
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:33,660
much community support you know where it

1369
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:35,160
wouldn't have been possible without them

1370
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:37,619
and uh he's become so integral in our

1371
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,300
work and this is someone on UFO Twitter

1372
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:41,400
that you know that we were in contact

1373
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:43,079
with and we hit up and he loved the

1374
00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:45,720
project and that his covers have just

1375
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:47,000
been

1376
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,880
AAA work you know we're very excited

1377
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:53,760
yeah awesome lesson all those links you

1378
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,740
discussed before you can buy it and how

1379
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,180
you can follow the guys and the work

1380
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:59,099
will be underneath the description to

1381
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,079
this podcast so go check that out thanks

1382
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:02,640
for listening early thanks to those who

1383
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,560
listen on the breakdown as well and make

1384
00:49:07,970 --> 00:49:06,000
sure you go pick up your copy of

1385
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:07,980
estimate of the situation thanks again

1386
00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:10,260
for coming on guys and speak to you soon

1387
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:12,180
thank you man Sandy appreciate it man

1388
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,940
that is all for this week's show thank

1389
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:16,740
you very much for listening please

1390
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:18,599
remember to leave the podcast a review

1391
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:21,300
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1392
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:23,819
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1393
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,740
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1394
00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:27,839
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1395
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,460
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1396
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:31,920
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00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:34,260
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1398
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:36,599
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1399
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:39,660
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1400
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:43,200
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1401
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:45,300
folks as always keep looking up you

1402
00:49:51,300 --> 00:50:14,830
champagne

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[Music]

1404
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:23,349
into the game

1405
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:25,619
I can't imagine how I could have been

1406
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:27,740
any better I got to the top of stairs

1407
00:50:37,390 --> 00:50:30,240
like you awake I was about to abduct you

1408
00:51:07,270 --> 00:50:39,349
[Music]

1409
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,250
you and me

1410
00:52:13,870 --> 00:51:18,390
[Music]

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thank you

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minutes